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12 years 11 months ago #1381 by Archived Forum Admin
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Hi,
We have a wire drawing machine that draws to a size of 0.009 inch in brass and copper. Recently the motor and drive which is used for traverse, blew up. I have bought a new geared motor and new drive, but I am unable to run is as I am facing a problem at the end point/ direction change point. I believe that the reverse from one direction to another on the traverse is done at a higher speed compared to the normal traverse speed and also I am not sure if the traverse speed in the return direction is the same in both directions or there is a differential traverse speed, to prevent wire entanglement?
A bit complex to explain but I hope I conveyed my problem well.
Thanks for your input in advance.
We have a wire drawing machine that draws to a size of 0.009 inch in brass and copper. Recently the motor and drive which is used for traverse, blew up. I have bought a new geared motor and new drive, but I am unable to run is as I am facing a problem at the end point/ direction change point. I believe that the reverse from one direction to another on the traverse is done at a higher speed compared to the normal traverse speed and also I am not sure if the traverse speed in the return direction is the same in both directions or there is a differential traverse speed, to prevent wire entanglement?
A bit complex to explain but I hope I conveyed my problem well.
Thanks for your input in advance.
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12 years 11 months ago #1382 by Archived Forum Admin
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Hello KAMKAT,
In my experience traversing forward and reverse is at the same speed. Likewise no change in spooling speed at the reversals unless of course the reversal point(s) has (have) been incorrectly set and the wind is not uniform near the flange(s). Perhaps others have experienced different settings.
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Peter J. Stewart-Hay
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Stewart-Hay Associates
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519 641-3212
In my experience traversing forward and reverse is at the same speed. Likewise no change in spooling speed at the reversals unless of course the reversal point(s) has (have) been incorrectly set and the wind is not uniform near the flange(s). Perhaps others have experienced different settings.
Regards
Peter J. Stewart-Hay
Principal
Stewart-Hay Associates
www.Stewart-Hay.com
519 641-3212
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12 years 11 months ago #1383 by Archived Forum Admin
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The traversing speed is a function (v=f(1/d)) of the diameter of the spool (filling degree). That means that the traversing speed is higher when the spool is empty. Then it runs slower after every layer when the production speed of the wire is constant.
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12 years 11 months ago #1384 by Archived Forum Admin
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Hi Juan,
You are right of course. This function allows a constant traverse pitch to be set despite the fact that the reel rotational speed slows down as the wire layers build up.
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You are right of course. This function allows a constant traverse pitch to be set despite the fact that the reel rotational speed slows down as the wire layers build up.
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Peter J. Stewart-Hay
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12 years 11 months ago #1385 by Archived Forum Admin
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Hello,
Like everyone has said, the speed should be the same in each direction of travel for the traverse guide pulley. Most spooling technology or concepts are the same regardless of the wire size or type. The only difference is that with the size wire you are drawing and the typical speed that this size wire may be drawn, results in the spool rotating at very high rpm. In some cases the traverse length may be 3-6 inches and the barrel of the spool only about 2 inches in diameter. Obviously at 5,000 feet per minute, the spool rpm would be quite high ( up to about 10,000 to start) Also with a 3-4 inch traverse length the traverse motor would be reversing about 400 times a minute and half this if drawing speed is only 2,500 fpm. This means that the reversing operation has to be nearly instantaneous. Expensive stepper motors work well. The problem that generally occurs is that you cannot begin the reversing operation after the traverse has traveled approximately the width of the spool because it take the wire longer to reverse direction than it take the motor to reverse direction. So unless you have an optically controlled traverse your total traverse travel may be only 3.75 inches or less when the spool traverse length is 4 inches. This prevents excessive build up at the flanges. For a manual control you have to just experiment and keep you eye on it. The optically controlled traverses see the build up and compensate by automatically adjusting the traverse length until the excessive build up has leveled off.
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Like everyone has said, the speed should be the same in each direction of travel for the traverse guide pulley. Most spooling technology or concepts are the same regardless of the wire size or type. The only difference is that with the size wire you are drawing and the typical speed that this size wire may be drawn, results in the spool rotating at very high rpm. In some cases the traverse length may be 3-6 inches and the barrel of the spool only about 2 inches in diameter. Obviously at 5,000 feet per minute, the spool rpm would be quite high ( up to about 10,000 to start) Also with a 3-4 inch traverse length the traverse motor would be reversing about 400 times a minute and half this if drawing speed is only 2,500 fpm. This means that the reversing operation has to be nearly instantaneous. Expensive stepper motors work well. The problem that generally occurs is that you cannot begin the reversing operation after the traverse has traveled approximately the width of the spool because it take the wire longer to reverse direction than it take the motor to reverse direction. So unless you have an optically controlled traverse your total traverse travel may be only 3.75 inches or less when the spool traverse length is 4 inches. This prevents excessive build up at the flanges. For a manual control you have to just experiment and keep you eye on it. The optically controlled traverses see the build up and compensate by automatically adjusting the traverse length until the excessive build up has leveled off.
richard
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12 years 11 months ago #1386 by Archived Forum Admin
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There are only a few software engineers in the world who are really prepared to realise a very good traverse. Here one of them
www.hambamer.de/index.html
Best regards
Juan Carlos González
Kabel.Consult.Ing
www.kabelconsulting.de
www.hambamer.de/index.html
Best regards
Juan Carlos González
Kabel.Consult.Ing
www.kabelconsulting.de
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